he wanted to run for governor. i was first surprised and maybe a little appalled by that. i said, well, why? he said, you can help me figure that out. i said, if you cannot figure it out, i cannot help you. then he went and ran, and he ran a very proficient, very smart campaign. in the summer of 2002, he was about to get elected governor. he was running against a decent, principled conservative republican and. i was very -- i was depressed, really, because i thought his campaign was a pretty cynical. he was running as a reformer at the time -- ironic. you know, i thought -- i came into politics as an idealist. i had to either find a way to recharge my batteries or i had funding else to do. at that time, i heard barack obama was running for the senate.